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A covenant for the Church of England.
1 [2029] Posted by: Spitfire Thursday 14 December 2006 - 09:36am
I am concerned that Richard Turnbull hasn't also identified himself clearly as Principal of Wycliffe Hall

Web Sermons by Oliver O'Donovan
2 [1203] Posted by: Spitfire Tuesday 4 July 2006 - 12:02pm

Thanks Oliver and Fulcrum for such a valuable addition to the often tedious and fractious discussion of homosexuality and Christianity. 

My brief response relates to the last two paragraphs. They are the most pertinent to me personally as a gay Christian woman. I feel inclined to learn them by heart as they propose a hopeful and workable way forward for me. (I'll put your words in italics.)

the difficulty of raising questions in public - thanks for acknowledging this and please don't underestimate it, especially for evangelicals in positions of leadership.

... a conciliar process that will take up the experience of homosexual Christians as its leading question ... As far as I can tellis deeply in the interest of gay Christians, men and women, that their experience - by which is meant not merely sexual experience, not merely emotional experience, and not merely the narrative of experience, but the whole storehouse of what they have felt and thought about their lives, should become a matter of wider reflection, reflected on by those who are called to live this experience, by those who are called to accompany them in their living, by all who share their understanding of living as something they owe an account of to God.
Yes, yes, yes, Oliver, I wholeheartedly agree that is it is in my interest (and I dare say yours and other members of Christ's body) as a human being and a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ to have the whole storehouse of my experience reflected upon, and yes, I have done so daily for the last thirty years, and more recently within the company of some precious and trusted friends. (And, I think, to real mutual benefit.) But can I, should I, how can I, enter a wider arena for reflection when the wider arena is so hostile and dangerous.

I am sorry that The Way Forward was such a disheartening experience for you. I thought your contribution was far and away the best, and I could only concur with David Atkinson's highly favourable review in the Church Times which first pointed me in the book's direction. As you say, What remains important about the attempt .. was that it addressed questions quite specifically to gay Christians, not to liberals, and about the essentials of Christian faith.

I agree that the way is long - and I am still on it. I wholeheartedly agree that there is an exploration to be had, which, if undertaken in good faith, might yield a common discussion over what it could mean to be both homosexual and Christian.

But I question your assumption and conclusion that It appeared that Christian gays were not prepared for that discussion at that time. Fruitful gay self-interrogations in the secular world had not yet prompted gay believers to embark upon a comparable course. Oliver, I was and am still prepared to embark upon such a course, but how? Both the secular world and the liberal church, for all their faults, appear to provide a safer space for gay discussion than any evangelical forums I've ever been in (present web company excepted.)

 

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