Episcopal Life headline: ENGLAND: Conservative group denounces consent to Glasspool's election in Los Angeles.

http://www.ecusa.anglican.org/81808_121130_ENG_HTM.htm 

Conservative label for Fulcrum! Tell that to Reform, Sugden and others!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been following the discussion but perhaps now any comments should come under the new thread on Andrew Goddard's critical appraisal of + James Jones synod address?

A very interesting team of authors wrote this! I am delighted that they have made it available on-line. I have always believed something since my early teens (back in the 40's) and am certain that doctrine does matter.

Should be very interesting and valuable reading for many.

I enjoyed reading Gordon Kuhrt's review of CB's book. Off I went to my bookshelves and there it was, purchased soon after publication.

I had been a member of the Church Assembly's House of Laity for 1959 to early in 1968 representing Coventry Diocese. So I was involved in liturgical debates on Series 1 etcetera and Canon Law revision.

Initially the evangelical group was quite small and I was not always conformist to the most conservative line. I may have already become a Fulcrum type! 

On moving to Wakefield diocese my school responsibilities would only allow of being involved up to diocesan level but I read regularly of what was happening at national level and I came to have great respect for Colin B.

Gordon Kuhrt's review of Colin Buchanan's book took me to my bookshelves to rediscover this fascinating book I bought 4 years ago.

I was a member of the House of Laity but in Synod's predecessor, the Church Assembly, from 1959 to 1967 representing Coventry Diocese. I was much more of a backbencher than CB! I go back to Series Two debates.

I had many Grove Books, from the very start and CB's writings there kept me informed about the many aspects with which I seemed to be in agreement with him, or perhaps he convinced me of that.

Quite an offer by Norwich Books too.

And Nersen Paul one may add quite a few more +s (diocesans and suffragans) to your short list!

If Nigel Bunyan's story in the Telegraph about Angus MacLeay's leaflet at St Nicholas', Sevenoaks is accurate it may become a case of "where have  so many women gone"?

Thanks L Weber and for your contribution. It makes it more interesting to know who people are!

I am an ancient (80+) layman in northern England, in the English Halifax. 

User 2090. Who are you please?

Some papers, including the Express, have reported about the folk roots of some carols.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/146061/Hymn-expert-reveals-a-Christmas-carol-s-folk-roots

Actually the tune used for "On Ilka' Moor" was a hymn tune originally!

In 1805 a hymn tune called Cranbrook was composed by a cobbler of Canterbury, Thomas Clark. A hundred years later it was still being sung in Wesleyan Chapels at Christmas time to 'While Shepherds watched their flocks by night'. It was originally composed as a setting for While Shepherds Watched. Only later did it become more familiar for On Ilkley Moor Without a Hat.

According to tradition, the members of a Halifax Wesleyan Church were picnicking beneath the Cow and Calf rocks near Ilkley, after their annual walk across the moors from Dick Hudson’s, when two of their party disappeared into the bracken. On their return to the main group, a member of the choir bellowed out “Wheer wor ta bahn when ah saw thee?” “Tha’s bin a-courtin’ Mary Jane”, commented another. Further lines in common metre were contributed until the choir burst naturally into the tune Cranbrook.

Over the years, more verses have been added, and it has been accepted as Yorkshire’s “National Anthem” It is still used by some church groups in the Halifax area for 'While Shepherds'!

The Yorkshire Dictionary (Arnold Kellett, 2002) stated that the song (i.e., the lyrics) probably originates from the Halifax area, based on the dialect used in the song, which is not common in all areas of Yorkshire.

The title is seen in various transcriptions of Yorkshire dialect, but is most commonly On Ilkla Mooar [or Moor] baht 'at, i.e. "On Ilkley Moor without [wearing] a hat". The song's origins are believed to be as a ditty to poke fun at a courting couple, as sung by a mischievous local choir.

I do not understand David H's problem with David Hallatt. I knew him back in the later 80's when he was Archdeacon of Halifax in Wakefield Diocese after he was at Didsbury.

I was often working with him in various groups. Certainly he was orthodox in belief and so was he evangelical/charismatic. Very keen on outreach and encouraging clergy and parishes in this.

I do not know in which paper read the story of his thread.

In today's "Guardian" there is a half page "Church puts faith in miracle of the 33p custard creams". http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/21/church-england-aldi-worshippers-attendance

Nowhere is Stephen Cottrell quoted as stating Jesus would choose aldi and asda shoppers to M&S customers. "How did it come to this, that we have become known as just the Marks & Spencer option when in our hearts we know that Jesus would just as likely be in the queue at Asda or Aldi."

Trying to change the sense that people may have the feel they need to be "suited and booted" to go to church. A very valid point. When I was at a 9 am Holy Communion service last Sunday it would be impossible to know from people's dress which supermarket they patronised. Similarly with those arriving for the 10.30 service at this well-attended church. People who are focussed on Jesus. Likewise anyone would be welcome no matter how they dress.

If there is an infant baptism during the 10.30 service and the parents are not regulars it is noticeable that parents, families and friends have assumed that very formal appearance is the norm.

Stephen Cottrell certainly preaches the gospel that Jesus died for us all.