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Lambeth Conference 2008

Fern -  have you considered that perhaps they took it for granted that their condemnation of violence, stated before in Primates' meetings and elsewhere, were understood? Of course, they were being asked questions by western journalists looking for a headline.......Peter Jensen is clearly more used to the "have you stopped beating your wife" type of question, and so said what the Primates have stated before.You would have a point if you could show that they ever support the kind of violence which you and I and everyone else here would never support......but you cannot, because the Primates do not support such violence.

++Orombi has very mainstream Anglican views - in line with Lambeth 1.10 and Windsor on the presenting issues. You would have a point about cats being let out of bags if he was teaching something incompatible with scripture or contradicting agreed Anglican postions on issues bringing division in the AC in the last several years. Not sure why you think it is a revelation that an Anglian clergyman believes Lambeth 1.10 in right on what scripture says.....most Anglican clergy agree with him.

Pls note, the most amazing thing about this conference was the absence of ENGLISH bishops who also feel that enough time has been wasted in the last 5 years and those bringing division need to be called to accept their consequences of their actions....i.e. not to tear the fabric of the Communion but also demand to stay in it (to tear it further in the future, no doubt)

visitor, of course Archbishop Orombi is capable of expressing himself without the aid of western ventriloquists - the problem is that what he expresses rather lets the cat out of the proverbial bag and doesn't sit well even with those western audiences most sympathetic to GAFCON.

At a Jerusalem press conference, both he and Archbishop Akinola not only resolutely refused to condemn violence against gays but energetically denied that there was any persecution of gays whatsoever in their respective countries.  It was left to Peter Jensen to unequivocally condemn violence.

Have faith  Kendall, one and all.  God is G-d. 

'Blessed are the pure in spirit, they shall see G-d.' (Part of the message of our blessed Lord).

Kendall Harmon

Urgency, of course, has its place, partcularly in mission.

But we are also told "love is patient ...", and the fruit of the Spirit is ... - well urgency doesn't feature, but patience and self-control do, as well as goodness and faithfulness.

If our sense of urgency about mission makes us too impatient with each other we lose the sense of the Gospel. I get a feeling from some of the comments of bishops who have been there that the virtue of patience has got under the skin of the conference. Journalists certainly have been impatient for a story.

Perhaps there is an urgency about developing all the fruit of the Spirit in our common life - now wouldn't that be worthwhile?

Where is the sense of urgency as lambeth draws to a close?

Do Lambeth participants not see that there is a total contradiction between the WCG (Windsor Continuation group)'s and Rowan Williams’ sense of the size of the problem and the consequences if it is unaddressed on the one hand and the formation, status, and decisions of the Episcopal Forum being proposed on the other?

If Anglicans need to act “speedily” and if the present (quite serious) situation will get worse over time unless there are these multiple moratoria, then something needs to happen AT Lambeth 2008 itself to improve things. Not to decide is itself a decision.

To be be slightly bluntist, he sounds like a nutter--and a dangerous one, at that :--

"In his recent book, Angels of Light, Powers of Darkness, Noll declares that "hedging out the demons is a particular responsibility of the church in its mission strategy and its inner discipline."  He agrees with Peter Wagner's belief in the necessity of spiritual warfare to eliminate "territorial spirits" in the mission field as well.  Noll is especially interested in apocalyptic scenarios in which the "active role in holy war" is transferred from "the angels to the Christian believers." He writes, "[Angels] convey our prayers and cheer us on, but it is our special calling to share in the bloody victory of the lamb."  For many years dean of academic affairs at the Trinity Episcopal School for Ministry, Noll was formerly associate pastor of the charismatic Truro Episcopal Church in Fairfax, Virginia, whose members have included such rightist luminaries as Oliver North and Clarence Thomas."

http://www.institutefordemocracy.org/warfare.html

That praise for Orombi came just before Orombis' attempted spoke in the wheel. Tom Wright might have regretted this one among his many comments.

I don't normally contribute to online discussions, being content to watch, but this is getting nasty.  A few mouse clicks from this thread you'll find +Tom's article on Lambeth and Paving the Way to Anglician Unity.  In it this Q&A occurs:

CT: Do you think the bishops that decided to stay away have made a mistake?

TW: I respect those who have stayed away because that is one way to read and respond to the events of the last five years.

The sorrow we all have is that they represent, one example Henry Orombi represents one of the finest Christian leaders in the world today and that is a voice that we badly miss at this conference. (emphasis added, grammar uncorrected)

It sounds to me like +Tom is indicating that ++Orombi is quite capable of writing such an article unaided, thank you very much, and that we owe him the courtesy of listening to him very carefully.