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A covenant for the Church of England.
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Posted by: Ken Sawyer |
Tuesday 12 December 2006 - 08:29pm |
An interesting report has appeared on the Anglican Mainstream website at http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/
The report under the heading "A Covenant for the Church of England" begins:
A small group met with the Archbishop of Canterbury on Tuesday December 12 and presented A Covenant for the Church of England on behalf of a wide group of Evangelical and Charismatic members of the Church of England with the support of a number of Anglo-Catholic leaders.
The Covenant is the fruit of an ongoing process reacting not to a few local or immediate difficulties but responding to widespread concerns in the national and global church.
The group were listened to carefully and as a result of the meeting it was agreed that there would be further discussion of the issues raised in the Covenant to find a way to maintain the unity of the Church of England.
Rev Paul Perkin 0207-326-9412 Canon Dr Chris Sugden 07808297043 01865-883388
Then read on.. My questions. Exactly who constitutes this wide group? Which streams of Evangelical and Charismatic groups have been consulted?
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Posted by: Jody |
Wednesday 13 December 2006 - 08:32am |
 Hi Ken
on brief glance this is a more 'in your face' explanation of the Reform conference statement.
more irregular ordinations, a separate 'panel of reference', refusing bishops' oversight etc.
ho hum, to be expected I suppose.
they don't represent me, as an evangelical.
x Jody |
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Posted by: Jody |
Wednesday 13 December 2006 - 12:34pm |
 Hi
I've realised that my last 'they don't represent me, as an evangelical', might have come across as a 'ya boo sucks to them', what I meant was that they don't represent me, and just that, more a statement of fact, than a thumbed nose, if you know what I mean.
x Jody |
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Posted by: Dave |
Wednesday 13 December 2006 - 01:15pm |
It not clear who this group is although it appears to have support from (some in?) Reform and Anglican Mainstream. The press release appears officialy on the Reform web site but it is flagged as not being a Reform press release as such and reported in full by Anglican Mainstream. It is signed by Chris Sugden of Anglican Mainstream and Paul perkin, the vicar of Battersea who has recently been in the news for unrecorded announcements, but they sign in a personal capacity not for any organisation. I feel that, to abuse the metaphor, they are testing the temperature of the Rubicon with their toes!
David |
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Posted by: Dave |
Wednesday 13 December 2006 - 09:07pm |
The proposed covenant has the support of the CEEC amd Crosslinks. The drafting committee is now detailed on the Anglican Mainsteam site but not the Reform site.
David |
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Posted by: Ken Sawyer |
Wednesday 13 December 2006 - 10:12pm |
They are:
The Covenant was drafted by a group under the following leadership:
Rev David Banting, Chair of Reform. Rev John Coles, Director of New Wine Networks. Rev Paul Perkin, Member of General Synod. Rev David Phillips, Director of Church Society Rev Vaughan Roberts, Rector of St Ebbe's Oxford. Canon Dr Chris Sugden, Executive Secretary, Anglican Mainstream. Rev William Taylor, Rector of St Helen's Bishopsgate. Rev Dr Richard Turnbull, Chair of the Church of England Evangelical Council. Rev Dr Simon Vibert, Chair of the Fellowship of Word and Spirit.
Were they drafting this as individuals or in the listed capacities? How many churches who may regard themselves as "New Wine" supporters will be happy with this? Was anyone else consulted?
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Posted by: Mark Bennet |
Wednesday 13 December 2006 - 10:28pm |
| What I am struggling with is the relationship between the statement which has been issued and any Biblical notion of 'Covenant', also with the reference to only one of the Canons, and an overemphasis on the individual, rather than any analysis of what forms the kingdom we are saved to be part of. Some theology on the relationship between communion and covenant would be helpful too. |
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Posted by: Deleted user 688 |
Thursday 14 December 2006 - 12:56am |
| no women on the drafting committee. Wonder why not? |
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Posted by: Jody |
Thursday 14 December 2006 - 08:32am |
 Jonathan Petre says:
Mr Perkin, the priest in charge of St Peter and St Paul in Battersea, south London, said: "The sleeping giant is waking. We have to be taken account of now."
Bishop Nazir-Ali, who was a leading rival to Dr Williams for the post of Archbishop of Canterbury, threw his weight behind the evangelical initiative last night, saying it demonstrated "the depth of feeling" within the Church.
But the Rev Giles Fraser, the president of the liberal pressure group Inclusive Church, said: "These rebel churches want to destroy the traditional breadth of the Church of England and turn it into a puritan sect. They must not be allowed to succeed."
Where are the representatives of Fulcrum in this? From the Telegraph account we have the 'evangelicals' and the 'liberals' and people are being led to believe that you have to divide the line over homosexuality, otherwise you'll be deemed a 'liberal'. Is this a sleeping giant? Is it waking? Is throwing our weight around really how we should behave?
uuuaaaaargh.
Jody |
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Posted by: Spitfire |
Thursday 14 December 2006 - 09:36am |
| I am concerned that Richard Turnbull hasn't also identified himself clearly as Principal of Wycliffe Hall |
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Posted by: John Watson |
Thursday 14 December 2006 - 10:30am |
| This has obviously been thought about, prepared, drafted, redrafted over who konws how many weeks/months? And is what was obviously hinted at in the 'whistleblowing' of the St Mark's, Battersea Rise episode a few weeks ago. I have to ask, just how many people/churches were consulted over this? Over the weeks/months of drafting and redrafting and I hope prayer - how many of the churches they say they reprersent were asked if this was a holy and just action? Is this a statement made by a few loud voices saying they represent us or is it indeed, as implied, a concerted, consulted and consensual expression of the congregaions and networks they represent?
If it is the latter - where is the evidence of consultation and consensus? If it is the former they have stepped over the dividing line of representation and hegemony. |
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Posted by: James Mercer |
Thursday 14 December 2006 - 10:32am |
| An 'awkening sleeping giant' or a product of circular thinking and self referal? Very saddened that churches that may embrace a 'New Wine' expression might unwittingly become associated with this depressing and horrible initiative. |
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