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NEAC 2008
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Posted by: Ken Sawyer |
Tuesday 9 December 2008 - 07:30pm |
I note from John Richardson's Chelmsford Anglican Mainstream blogspot http://chelmsfordanglicanmainstream.blogspot.com/ that the motion passed at the CEEC Council meeting was proposed by Bishop Pete Broadbent and seconded by Bishop Wallace Benn.
An interesting and possibly/probably beneficial twinning. |
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Posted by: Ordinand |
Monday 8 December 2008 - 06:02pm |
The change could appear slight, but it does surely match the overall mood of wanting to express strong support for the Anglican Communion as a body and for those on the sharp end of the present troubles.
Support for the Jerusalem Declaration is tempered by the recognition of different strategies. This is a far better way of proceeding than, say, attempting to unpick JD to remove the specific points of division.
A very Anglican compromise, and I mean that to be understood as a good thing! (c.f. the BCP's dual words of distribution, where we all get to have our cake and eat it, theologically speaking) |
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Posted by: James |
Monday 8 December 2008 - 05:06pm |
I think it is highly significant that the motion passed by CEEC has managed to find a way of endorsing the substance of the Jerusalem Declaration, but at the same time not endorsing the GAFCON approach as the only way forward.
There is probably more to be said, but CEEC has to this extent remained true to its founding intentions that it has found a formula which tries to hold together the various ways in which evangelical Anglicans are seeking to respond to the issues facing the C of E and the Anglican Communion.
I wonder whether "NEAC" would have passed this. If only proper notice had been given, and proper debate had been allowed then.
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Posted by: QGS |
Monday 8 December 2008 - 04:06pm |
For ease of reference, the original motion presented at NEAC:
“That this National Evangelical Anglican Consultation,
acknowledging that the Church of England professes the faith uniquely revealed in the Holy Scriptures and set forth in the catholic creeds and bears witness to this truth in her historic formularies (the Book of Common Prayer, the Thirty-nine Articles and the Ordinal) and as set out in Canon A5, Article 6 and the Declaration of Assent
and mindful, as members of the Anglican Communion, of our obligations to faithful Anglicans across the globe,
(a) express our support for the Jerusalem Declaration
and
(b) recognising that Evangelical Anglicans will pursue a variety of strategies, support our brothers and sisters in their strategic decisions including those set out in the GAFCON Statement
made in Jerusalem on 29th June 2008 at the Global Anglican Future Conference gathering attended by 1148 people, including 291 Bishops of the Anglican Communion”
And the motion now passed by the CEEC Council:
- “CEEC affirms and rejoices that the Church of England professes the faith uniquely revealed in the Holy Scriptures and set forth in the catholic creeds and its historic formularies (the Thirty-nine Articles of Religion, The Book of Common Prayer and the Ordering of Bishops, Priests and Deacons) and set out in Canon A5 and the Declaration of Assent.
- Further we affirm (1) the CEEC’s own Basis of Belief, (2) Resolution 3.5 of Lambeth 1998 (concerning the authority of Holy Scriptures), (3) Resolution 1.10 of Lambeth 1998 (concerning human sexuality), and (4) the Jerusalem Declaration, and as members of the Anglican Communion, we acknowledge our obligation to stand in prayerful solidarity with faithful Anglicans across the globe.
- We recognize that evangelical Anglicans will pursue a variety of strategies for dealing with the current crisis in the Communion, and we support those who are seeking to work through the existing Anglican Communion structures, those who are working within the framework set out in the GAFCON Statement, and those supporting both.
- We call on the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Primates to recognize the urgency of the situation as it affects parishes and clergy, particularly in the USA, Canada and Brazil, and to give immediate and serious consideration to granting recognition to the new Province in the USA.”
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Posted by: Madeline |
Monday 8 December 2008 - 03:09pm |
I see he is remaining as a member. I suppose the question is whether people would rather he conducted himself robustly (you can read that as a euphemism if you wish) from the floor of the meeting towards the Chair or from the chair of the meeting towards the floor. |
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Posted by: Deleted user 1668 |
Monday 8 December 2008 - 03:06pm |
| Well, Richard Turnbull appears to have done just what he said he would at NEAC and got CEEC to pass the following (before he resigned, of course!):
"Further we affirm...the Jerusalem Declaration, and as members of the Anglican Communion, we acknowledge our obligation to stand in prayerful solidarity with faithful Anglicans across the globe."
"We call on the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Primates to recognize the urgency of the situation as it affects parishes and clergy, particularly in the USA, Canada and Brazil, and to give immediate and serious consideration to granting recognition to the new Province in the USA."
So now CEEC officially supports GAFCON and the proposed NA 'province'. |
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Posted by: Tim Goodbody |
Monday 8 December 2008 - 01:06pm |
 http://www.ceec.info/
Chairman of CEEC resigns, apologies about NEAC5.
that must have been quite a meeting |
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Posted by: Nigel Bourne |
Monday 1 December 2008 - 06:23pm |
(Just an ordinary evangelical - generally conservative - with a thought or two about NEAC etc...) Despite the difficulties at the meeting, I am glad that CEEC got us together. Given the outcome of the motion not being put and yet many of us wanting to do something, there is obviously frustration and some probably feel a bit bruised. The danger is that we will get increasingly tetchy with each other - presumably that would be a good outcome from the devil's point of view.
Let's try to be positive and gracious with each other. The first half of the meeting was particularly good and probably at least 90% of us agreed with 90% of the motion as worded but it was (I think) just too specific particularly in appearing to underwrite almost any response to the (very real) problems, especially in North America. Surely though, we can unite on the fundamentals. To this end I hope that the leaders of the various groups are continuing to try to find a way of harnessing the wide and deep concern of all evangelicals at the current time. Perhaps it is already happening but I wonder if some face to face meetings would be helpful. Name-calling, blaming etc by supporters on blogs etc is only going to make things worse. A real coming together now would show the reality of our belief in a God who heals relationships and this should lend credence to our statements about the way forward.
Personally, I feel that we should as evangelicals:
a) reaffirm in a general way our belief in scripture as the prime God-given source of authority available to the church and our general support of those who are resisting a significantly more liberal agenda and
b) call upon Bishops and Primates to find a way to allow traditional Anglicans who are being deposed etc within a clearly hostile liberal situation to have a properly constructed (albeit beyond the usual geographical constraints) episcopal oversight.
If this does not emerge soon then more the more ad hoc (possibly temporary) solutions may become inevitable and long term and we will need to have some way of showing our support and being in full communion with various break-away movements. However, it seems to me that such solutions will inevitably lead to further unhelpful disintegrations - not least in due course when liberals will find ways of escaping the legitimate discipline of traditionalist bishops.
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Posted by: nersenpaul |
Monday 1 December 2008 - 07:44am |
Whistleblower - perhaps better to pray for Dr Turnbull rather than refer to people's insults against him (eg "daleks")? |
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Posted by: Whistleblower |
Sunday 30 November 2008 - 12:09pm |
Let's hope that CEEC respond to the magnitude of the crisis engulfing them by choosing new leaders. The Daily Telegraph tells us that Dr Turnbull, chairman of CEEC, has the "people skills of a dalek". The Daily Mail outed a shockingly naive and pastorally insensitive article by Bishop Wallace Benn, president of CEEC, dealing with the credit crunch. When can we have some competent leaders, please?
Daily Telegraph article here
Daily Mail article here |
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Posted by: nersenpaul |
Saturday 29 November 2008 - 01:35pm |
It is very encouraging that people are working to bring reconciliation after the mess at NEAC.... we should all pray for genuine unity and fellowship to emerge in the near future - given someone once prayed exactly for that. We should pray for +Pete and Dr Turnbull and all involved.... |
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Posted by: Pete Broadbent |
Saturday 29 November 2008 - 12:00pm |
| The motion isn't my property. I've made suggestions as to how the motion presented at NEAC could be improved in order to become more unitive. The CEEC Executive devise the agenda for the meeting, not me. I don't think that the "smoke filled rooms" analogy is particularly helpful - I could wish that CEEC were more publicly accountable, and will continue to argue for that now and in the future (I am very much a minority voice within CEEC). But we are where we are, and if a motion is to be voted on by CEEC, I very much want it to be supportable by those from Anglican Mainstream and Fulcrum and the rest of the spectrum.
But I do believe that it's important to stop sniping at each other and to find ways forward that will unite evangelical Anglicans. We have to move on from the debacle at All Souls. |
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