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Fulcrum Subjects: Anglicanism, General / Pastoral Other articles by Oliver O'Donovan are available from this site Discuss this Article on the Fulcrum Forum See the 20 comments on this article The Scriptural Authority in Practice a lecture given at St Mary Islington, by The Revd Professor Oliver O’Donovan FBA The authority of Scripture is emerging once again as a topic for theological reflection after a long eclipse. From a variety of recent literature I may mention the valuable little essay by Professor John Webster, Holy Scripture, as well as the more complex study by the young American theologian, Telford Work, Living and Active. [1] This follows a century or more during which theological discussion of the bible was led by a self-consciously scientific-historical and literary-critical line of questioning which deliberately abstracted from normative considerations. That tradition left us a handful of hugely important discoveries, a fair collection of helpful insights and a huge mountain of over-confident speculative rubble. But it also taught some indispensible reading disciplines, for it encouraged an attention to the text as close, perhaps, as at any time of Christian history. In reaction to that school of scholarly enquiry there arose a doctrinal and apologetic way of talking about Scripture, one driven by the pastoral need to secure the church’s respect for it as the revelation of the mind and purposes of God. Attributes of divine perfection were ascribed to Scripture, the negative epithets, “infallible”, “inerrant” etc., playing the same role as negative epithets do in the doctrine of God. The problem was not that these epithets could not be persuasively argued for on their own terms, but that they had no more to say about the authority of Scripture than did the scholarly tradition they challenged. They offered an icon of revelation for us to wonder at and worship, but no sense of how it could and must direct and shape the lives we have to lead. “Authority” is a term of practical reason, and it needs to be discussed within a context of practical reason. Theology is no longer stuck in those opposed positions. Let me point to one small but interesting straw in the wind, blowing from a direction where the most old-fashioned views on Scripture are commonly supposed to prevail. The “Jerusalem Declaration” issued last June by the GAFCON conference included the following brief clause: We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Word of God written and to contain all things necessary for salvation. The Bible is to be translated, read, preached, taught and obeyed in its plain and canonical sense, respectful of the church’s historic and consensual reading. [2] I have not seen any public remark on these words; yet I should have thought they merited serious interest. To anyone not tone-deaf theologically it must be clear that the key, even the tune, has changed. Where have the negative epithets gone to? In their place GAFCON has combined a formula of Reformation origins that speaks of the function of the Bible in salvation with a new statement about the practical requirements Scripture lays upon the life of the church. The categories in which this second clause is phrased betray a debt to the so-called Yale-School of the seventies, a title usually invoked for the trio, Hans Frei, George Lindbeck and Brevard Childs, a diverse trio which has left, in fact, anything but a school. What we have from them is a series of discussions that raise from different angles the question of the normativity of text within community. The no-doubt banal observations I want to make today take up this question from a particular angle. The five verbs of the Jerusalem Statement, “translated”, “read”, “preached”, “taught” and “obeyed”, no less than the famous five verbs used about Scripture by Thomas Cranmer in his Collect for Advent II, “hear”, “read”, “mark”, “learn”, “inwardly digest”, which, no doubt, they self-consciously complement, circle around the single verb, “read”. Where Cranmer follows a line of thought back from the act of reading to the inner life of the individual reader, the Jerusalem Statement follows a line forward from the act of reading into the liturgical, teaching and moral discipline of the church. I would like to reflect on reading in a way that ties these two complemetary lines of thought together: a church which is shaped in any measure by the authority of Scripture will be a reading church. At a certain juncture in In order to think the thoughts of another person, to grasp the world as another grasps it, all one has to do is to listen to the spoken word. Speech is potent for good or ill, and therefore Christ says, Take care how you hear! The art of writing, Leo Strauss insisted, is an art of concealment, not of making plain. It aims at postponing the encounter with some truth. Perhaps he had in mind the prophets of Writer and reader pursue their complementary arts in solitude – but in solitude not for its own sake, but for the sake of an encounter of minds. Each undertakes his part in faith, believing in a gracious providence that fore-ordains readers for long-dead writers, and blesses readers with instruction from across the years which may be understood. Each reaches out longingly towards the other, for this encounter is a good for both parties. What was written in former times was written for our instruction, that by patience and the comfort of the Scriptures we might have hope. The patience that endures the span of history, the comfort that belongs to the community of thought, yield hope for the coherence of time and for the fructifying of God’s long purposes. We do not commit our moral destinies to the reading of any text, unless we hear in it the rumour of a promise, a promise lurking in the past and waiting to be made good for us, “upon whom”, as Saint Paul remarks in another place, “the end of the ages has come” (1 Cor. 10:11). These ages are ages of waiting that the text has undergone. But this encounter is no negotiation between equals. Neither writer nor reader can ignore its strictly non-reciprocal character. To the writer the reader is, and must remain, an unknown and indeterminate quantity. No writer can be spared the risk that there may be no reader, after all, or no faithful reader, at least, who will read with understanding. Thoughts, words and intentions so painfully committed to paper or papyrus or electronic disk may yet be blown away in the dust of textuality. To the reader, on the other hand, the writer is always a prior and unnegotiable quantity. No reader can refuse the position downstream of those thoughts, words and intentions. Free movement of thought, creative improvisation, demurral, disagreement or downright disapproval must all be set aside. What has become fashionable to call a “strategy” of “reading against the grain” is simply a battle to suppress the text. Once undertaken, such a battle will, in the immediate instance, be won, since the text lacks resources to resist the violence offered it; but the victory is at the cost of the reader’s being no reader, after all, merely a learned illiterate. More temptingly, perhaps, the reader may feel invited to improve the text, to overlay it with well-disposed reflections, or to cover up for its naiveté or deficiencies. An interpreter may sometimes do such things, but they are hazardous, putting the successful meeting with the author at risk; whether they can be done at all will depend on whether the interpreter has first read widely and deeply. For the text is more than its surface, more than the tensions and incongruities that any casual reader can pick up at a hasty glance and which may play deep roles in the text’s own structure and rhetoric. Acts of reading that refuse the text patience invariably miscarry. What we have said so far has been about reading and texts as such. We can see that a certain claim for authority is already implied. We do nothing to disturb the logic of the reader’s relation to a text when we raise the question of the text’s authority, for reading and authority are mutually implicated from the beginning. The authority is not unlimited, to be sure, and leads on, as all right authority does, from command to authorisation, from narrowing the scope of our freedom to enlarging it. Having submitted for the duration, the reader has to take up the task the text has presented with the strength the text has offered. The moment of passivity turns to activity; the receptive mind becomes critical; it judges what it has been given, and how much it can be of help. But criteria for this judgment do not arise unbidden from within the reader’s own mind; they are formed by other reading of other texts. Each text is subject to the judgement of its peers. And in reaching that considerate judgment the reader becomes aware of an implicit hierarchy of texts, some texts offering resources of understanding to shed light on the strengths and weaknesses of others. Behind the book are the books. And behind the books? Here we are brought face to face with the logic of a canonical text, and with the canonical text a kind of reading that corresponds to it, not wholly different in kind from that which we apply to other texts, but a heightened, focussed form of reading. It is a reading in faith - not as opposed to reason, but as a founding moment of reason’s exercise, the acknowledgment that sets reason free to interpret and criticise all else - , and it is a reading in love. As faith focusses upon the unique centre of the text itself, love reaches out to the perimeter that the text illumines. We need not labour the point that what sets the canonical text apart from other texts is not that it is the “best”, according to some qualitative, perhaps aesthetic, perhaps philosophical measure. It is true that the Bible contains some astonishing pieces of literature. We may gladly say of Psalm 19, as C.S.Lewis did, that it is “the greatest poem in the Psalter and one of the greatest lyrics in the world.” [4] The aesthetic appreciation of the Bible should not be scorned, if only because without a sense of a text’s literary art and aesthetic values we shall not read it with full intelligence. However, aesthetic values will not point us to the authority of the canonical text, for they commend the biblical writings by placing them in comparison with other texts of the same general kind, and to speak of authority is to look beyond what is captured generically. The term “canonical” means quite simply an unmeasured measure. And properly applied to the Bible, it is attached not to individual compositions but to the corpus of writing as a whole, which forms the measure (or “canon”) by which we judge the claims of any literary or non-literary witness to disclose and celebrate the acts of God. For Christian thought the idea of a canonical text has depended for its intelligibility upon that of a central, normative strand in history. The privileged book witnesses to privileged events. The end of the ages is not only the fulfilment of the promise of the text, but the Christ-moment which fulfils the promise of history, the moment at which history’s direction is made clear, the lurking promise of past events breaks surface in what God has done on earth through his Son. Yet we should not exaggerate a contrast often made at this point between the ancient Jewish understanding of Scripture and the Christian one. If it is true that for the ancient Jews the paradigm text was a legal text, for Christians a Gospel narrative, we must remember that the Deuteronomistic age was not only an age of law but of prophecy, and that the prophets as well as the lawyers committed themselves to writing. Furthermore, the fulfilment of history in Christ of which the Gospels speak is precisely the fulfilment of the law. One strength of Dr. Work’s book is the challenge it mounts to an over-sharp division between speaking of the Incarnate Word in Christ and the apostolic word in Scripture. The authority of Scripture rests on the words of Christ, he reminds us; but then, again, the words of Christ are already interpretations of Holy Scripture. The Incarnate Son came to teach the written law, of which not one jot or tittle shall pass away till all is fulfilled. We must speak, therefore, of God’s self-emptying into Scripture no less than of his self-emptying into humanity. It would be the worst mistake to imagine the textual form of Scripture as a kind of straitjacket imposed upon the Incarnation. I have not come to abolish the law, but to fulfil it. In that pregnant saying law and saving-history are mutually co-involved. We must think it through from both sides:- On the one hand saving history is the history of the law-text, the history of God’s manifest will which comes to full expression in the raising from the dead of its supreme teacher and exemplar. That is, if I understand him, where Dr. Work places his emphasis. On the other hand the law contains within itself the inner logic of the history of salvation, the perfection and full realisation of mankind. It contains within itself anticipations of its evolution and transformation from old to new, from Mosaic to evangelical in the glory of the risen man. That is the emphasis I find especially in the 17th century lawyer-theologian, Hugo Grotius, one of those figures of intellectual history who have suffered the tragedy of being persistently mis-read. [5] In the light of the history of the law-text all other reading becomes possible: the reader later in history can encounter the writer earlier in history with the comprehension of a good common to both, since the good itself is present in its history through the canonical text. All authority arises from mediation of reality. The free imagination and ranging purposes of the human mind are brought to heel by an interruption of something that simply and unnegotiably is the case. And the authority of Scripture is the moment at which the attested reality of God’s acts disturb the ideal constructions and zealous projections of human piety. Those who are anxious about the church’s weakening attachment to Scripture do not anticipate a loss of piety, but a rank growth of it; they fear the promiscuous multiplication of religious images in which history and fantasy are blended in equal measure, in which Star-Trek and Jesus are equally apt for our devotion. Attending the Eucharist as a visitor at a strange church on Palm Sunday, I was surprised to find the reading of the Gospel dispensed with altogether, and in its place a devotion in which members of the congregation stood up one by one and imagined the biographies and experiences of various objects that figure in the passion story: the tree from which the wood of the cross was made, the nails used to fasten the victim to the cross, etc. The fact that this exercise was embarrassingly insipid is, of course, neither here nor there; religious imagination has had more than its fair share of insipidity in the past, and recovered. The important point was why the Scriptural narrative was displaced from its customary place of honour in Eucharistic worship: it was to free up the religious imagination, to ensure space for the mind to wander freely through the gallery of images without being inconveniently summoned back to what has actually been told us of those events. The practices that acknowledge the authority of Scripture in the church arm it against the greatest danger of a culture that declares itself “post-modern”, the loss of a sense of difference between image and reality. Let us follow the lead given us, then, by the demand that the Bible be translated, read, preached, taught and obeyed - in its plain and canonical sense, respectful of the church’s historic and consensual reading. In a broad sense all those verbs describe the church’s reading: they unpack the successive moments of interpreting the canonical text. Preaching, teaching and obeying Scripture “in its plain and canonical sense” flow from a disciplined act of plain and simple reading – holding the book open and speaking aloud the words written there - which, because it treats the text as canonical, implies these further acts as a necessary implication. These acts do not add interpretation to reading, as though the plain and simple act was without presupposition and open to any line of reflection whatever. When we take up the task of reading, we confess that we have received this word, with all its remoteness and and all its nearness, with its immediate appeal and its strange distance; when we read it in public worship we confess that we have received it from a source we cannot ignore, from God, through the teaching of Jesus Christ and the testimony of his apostles, and that we cannot simply take it up and put it down, but read it as the church, depending on it for our identity. The other verbs, “teach”, “preach” and “obey” draw out the interpretation that public reading has already implied. Nevertheless, the listing of these moments is not merely pedantic or rhetorical, for the unfolding of reading through interpretation must happen in due order, under the command of the text and not in charge of it. The condition, “respectful of the church’s historic and consensual reading”, must apply, then, as well to public and liturgical as to private reading. This contrast is not meant to put public and private reading into competition. It is simply that without a proper value assigned to the corporate exercise of public reading of Scripture, private reading must look like an eccentric hobby. No collective spiritual exercise, no sacrament, no act of praise or prayer is so primary to the catholic identity of the church gathered as the reading and recitation of Scripture. It is the nuclear core. When Paul instructed his letters to be passed from church to church and read, it was the badge of the local church’s catholic identity. This is not to devalue preaching, praise, prayer, let alone sacramental act; these all find their authorisation in reading. As we know from St Thomas Aquinas, the act of breaking bread and sharing wine is not a eucharist unless the narrative of the institution at the Last Supper is read. Here we are on classic Anglican ground. Fifty years ago Stephen Neill, in identifying the elements that characterised Anglican Christianity, named as the first of these “the biblical quality by which the whole warp and woof of Anglican life is held together...The Anglican Churches read more of the Bible to the faithful than any other group of Churches. The Bible is put into the hands of the layman; he is encouraged to read it, to ponder it, to fashion his life according to it.” [6] That these words would be wholly impossible to write today ought to sober us. For Thomas Cranmer, at any rate, the integrity of public reading bulked large among the original grounds for the Reformation. His famous Preface to the 1549 Prayer Book concentrates more or less exclusively on the need for a new lectionary, complaining that “commonly when any boke of the Bible was begon, before three or foure Chapiters were read out, all the rest were unread” and insisting that “the readyng of holy scripture is so seet furthe, that all thynges shall bee doen in ordre, without breakying one piece therof from another.” [7] A lectionary needs to give a good impression over a period of time of the whole contents of Scripture, Old and New Testaments, and the relation of its different parts. It must do justice to the various kinds of writing in Holy Scripture - law texts, love poetry, political prophecy, narrative, vision etc., and to the various ages from which the different books sprang. It must be responsive both to linear and historical continuities, respecting the natural divisions of the text, and not trying to manipulate or evade its claims by selective omission, arbitrary beginnings and endings, concentration on safe themes at the expense of challenging ones. To build a pastorally effective lectionary for congregations with more varied and haphazard worshipping habits is a difficult task, and I should have thought it deserved more of our common attention than it has in fact received. There is another requisite for the public reading of Scripture beside the lectionary, seemingly even less attended to, and that is a public reader. A task once confined to the clergy has now largely been made over to lay members of the congregation, but far from dignifying lay ministry, this has, on the whole, merely marginalised a task on which a great deal in the act of worship depends. I confess that I know of no church that trains its readers; its reading readers, that is, for when we call people “readers” and say we train them, we have something different in mind, which is itself eloquent! When I hear a lesson read with careful thought, with pace, articulation, pause and pitch all placed at the service of the sense of the passage, I make a point of thanking the reader, since the effort made will not have been asked for and probably not appreciated. Yet many a church may stay alive by the ministry of its readers which would otherwise die by the ministry of its preachers. We should not overlook in passing the concern of the Jerusalem Statement for translation, presupposed already in any act of public reading among those who do not speak Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. No doubt the drafters’ concern was primarily with first-time translation into minority languages, a cause now less daunting, though not less urgent, as a result of the admirable labours of the Wycliffe Bible Translators. But we should take stock, too, of the situation with English translations. Since the Revised Version of 1881 an astonishing amount of effort has been lavished upon the work of English translation, and in the course of time the philosophy of translation has modified, steadily widening its view of what is involved in accommodating an ancient text to a modern language. Traduttore traditore, as the Italian proverb goes. The current generation of translations, guided by moralistic ideals, has surely crossed the line at which interpretation becomes domestication. The words I have quoted from the first Psalm, for example: Blessed is the man who has not walked... , are usually presented today in the form, Blessed are they who..., so ensuring that we miss the Psalmist’s suggestion that the vocation of the reader is necessarily a solitary one. Especially through the ministries of preaching (in the liturgical context) and teaching (outside it) the church ensures an encounter with the text respectful of the church’s historic and consensual reading. What claims, then, do other readers, and especially those of the past, make upon us? At this point we often meet a strange and slightly mystical claim, that the text has its own ongoing life in the life of its readers, so that we engage not simply with what the text was, but with what it has become. With the mighty rushing of a Hegelian Geist we may even think we hear the Holy Spirit speaking in a multitude of wrong interpretations. That is certainly a step too far. In extending the authority of the text to cloak the vagaries of its readers, it dissolves the text’s critical authority altogether. We cannot think of colonising the text, like an under-populated continent, of occupying it so thoroughly with the culture of our own civilisation that it becomes precisely what we want it to be. It must always be possible to challenge, out of the text itself, even the most historic and consensual readings if they are downright wrong. Medieval artists, reading that the disciple whom Jesus loved lay on his breast in the Upper Room, themselves being used to sit at table as we do, portrayed John alone among the twelve reclining, sometimes even sleeping, in fulfilment of the words of the corrupt Latin text of Psalm 4: In the selfsame I will sleep in peace and take my rest, thus symbolising the repose of love in the eternal beloved. We may find this charming, even edifying. But in no case is it fit to be mentioned in one breath as the authority of Scripture. That was the truth of the Reformation emphasis: the Bible is not the creation of the church’s reading but its judge, capable of calling to account any and every way in which it is read. That said, the reading of Scripture is a collective enterprise, a task of the whole communion of saints, in which every generation participates. Together with the Biblical authors we may read their past readers, and if we take the canonical text seriously as the fulfilling of the law, we shall not imagine that good reading could be set in partisan opposition to them. All serious reading of the canonical text has in view the catholic horizon. It is not because the church of the past bequeathed us a different text from that which it inherited, but because it shares a text with us, that we can read in hopeful anticipation that the insights of one generation and another will complement each other. Good interpretation catches the echo of the text as it bounces off different surfaces. So the readings of the past are a proper test of our readings, challenging us to demonstrate our care, good faith and self-abnegating attention. And that, too, the Reformers knew very well. I pass on quickly to the last of the five verbs, which may seem to be the most self-evident but is the hardest to come to grips with: we are to obey the Scriptures. Here is brought most sharply to our notice, what all the other verbs suppose, that the authority of Scripture is a ground of practical reason. It has obedience in view from beginning to end, and obedience is a way of acting. Precisely for this reason there is an element of indeterminacy in what the authority of Scripture requires of us. In a wholly determined world there would be no obedience. For there would be no need for thought about how to act consistently with what we have heard. If we were excused the work of thought, we should be excused obedience, too. Thought “how to” does not merely replicate what we have been told; it devises action, and forms it, conceiving of an act that will respect the norm within the material conditions we find ourselves in. That the norm can gain a purchase on our action is the supposition of all such thought. Acts are ordered in a basic repertoire of kinds and types, and of these kinds and types of act Scripture has a great deal of normative weight to tell us. We shall be obedient to Scripture to the extent that we have learned and acted upon what Scripture has said of them. But Scripture does not provide us with the concrete act itself, which we must perform right now. Devising that act is precisely what practical thought does, and devising it faithfully to the norm is what obedience is all about. Those Anglicans between the Reformation and the English Civil War who felt they must take issue with the Puritan use of Scripture did so in defence of obedience. I have written in A Conversation Waiting to Begin about Richard Hooker’s conception of reason in obedience to Scripture. But the same point could be made by Hooker’s contemporaries without any use of the term “reason” at all. Here is John Donne. [8] He speaks of the apostles’ prayers in heaven for the church on earth, prayers which are wholly concerned, it appears, with the doctrine and use of Scripture: As by their prayers thou’hast let mee know That their bookes are divine, May they pray still and be heard, that I goe Th’old broad way in applying. O decline Mee, when my comment would make thy word mine! The two prayers that the Apostles make, one for the church’s doctrine, one for the church’s use of Scripture, are not opposed. It is precisely because the apostolic writings are acknowledged as “divine” – the Jacobean poet does not shrink from that epithet, as later generations would – that “the old broad way of applying” is what we need to follow. Broad, not in the sense of being loose and indifferent, but as exploratory and discursive. Scripture is the divine resource with which we may confront the indeterminacy of practical decision. To want to short-cut the indeterminacy by over-prescriptive commentary amounts, in Donne’s view, to making “thy word mine”, substituting the peremptory command of church office - bishop, pope, General Assembly - for the divine word calling us to thoughtful obedience. The same note was sounded by the Archbishop of Canterbury in his Hulsean Sermon of January this year. Speaking of revelation, he said: “If it is revealed religion we want to think about, it is to do with an agency, a freedom.” And it is because God freely summons us to obedient freedom, that “there will always be more questions put to us by what we encounter.” [9] How could there not be questions put to us if authority is genuinely a practical, not merely a speculative category, and if obedience is the final term of revelation, not merely assent? Obedience is never predetermined, it has always be thought through and sought after. If, then, we are to take seriously the Jerusalem Declaration’s call for obedience to Scripture, we shall need to take seriously the Archbishop’s call to engage with the “further questions” that arise as we seek to obey the norms the text communicates. There is no way of doing the one without doing the other. There are “further questions” because there are “further works” to do. The encounter with Scripture is an encounter with what God has done in liberating us to work the works of God, as
___________________________________________________________ The Revd Professor Oliver O'Donovan FBA is Professor of Christian Ethics and Practical Theology at the
[1] John Webster, Holy Scripture, a dogmatic sketch. [2] http://anglican.dot5hosting.com/The_GAFCON_Jerusalem_Declaration.pdf [3] Epistle 137.5.17. [4] C.S. Lewis, Reflections on the Psalms. [5] See especially his long comment on Matt. 5:17 in Adnotationes in Evangelia: Opera Omnia Theologica II. [6] Stephen Neill, Anglicanism, Harmondsworth: Penguin Books, 1958, p. 418. The other seven marks, for the record, are: liturgy, continuity, episcopacy, theological learning, toleration, the appeal to the conscience and comprehensiveness. Not all of these have fared much better in the intervening years. [7] The First and Second Prayer Books of King Edward VI, ed. Douglas Harrison. [8] “A Litanie” ll.77ff. John Donne, The Divine Poems, ed. Helen Gardner. [9] Rowan Williams, “Seeing the Question: Revelation and Self-knowledge”. http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org
Discuss this Article on the Fulcrum Forum Forum Posts About This Article:Posted by: Guyer Saturday 18 July 2009 - 09:22pm What of the art of commenting on Scripture? Scriptural authority is a good and necessary thing, but part of what concerns me with the emphases at present, made amidst controversy as they are, is that although they point to a bottom line, they do not give any avenues for the exegetical imagination to explore, just as they do not give any rules to guide exegetically grounded - and exegetically articulated - theology. There is very, very little that one can really do with a "plain and canonical sense" - and this, I believe, is part of why preaching is so tragically impoverished today. It is rarely, if ever, interesting; it is all too often forgettable, precisely because the "plain" interpretation is locked within its historical context. The preacher has to do something with the text - something inspiring, not least because the text is itself inspired. Of course, that is the central apostolic-patristic claim: "All Scripture is inspired..." (2 Tim. 3:16) Sadly, statements about authority rarely if ever actually traverse the biblical-patristic terrain of inspiration; in this way, then, claims about the authority of Scripture - intended, as they are, to dovetail primarily if not exclusively with the question of applicaton - are rather far from the text that they claim to take seriously and, what is more, claim to safeguard. The text is authoritative because - and only because - it is inspired. An attempt to hammer out a few rules of Biblical interpretation and application (the two not being the same) is, again, welcome. But what good are such rules when they neither begin nor end with the central apostolic claim of inspiration? Was it not the patristic recognition of inspiration that grounded their own commentaries? The more we attempt to hammer out claims of authority, the further we are from Biblical teaching about inspiration, and the further we are from allowing our own interpretations to be commentaries upon an inspired text which open up the heart and mind, the soul and the body, to the pursuit of virtue, to growth in holiness, and to the vision of God. Posted by: Dave Monday 1 June 2009 - 12:37pm 1066, Could you expand you initial point, in what way is the article crafted? I assume you are referring to the 27 April lecture rather than the previous sermons http://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/page.cfm?ID=130 or indeed the St Andrews day statement which provides a framework for debate. I accept your comments on "agreeing to differ". If you teach a traditional view of marriage and family, the traditional view of homoxexuality follows. "Agreeing to differ" in an academic context may mean no more than we have run out of time. In a church context it is likely to be a gag on those hold a traditional view and mean that no help can be given to young people and those who struggle with these issues. If you are teaching ethics in an Anglican context, I think you must include the House of Bishops report. This suggests more than enough further reading although this may need updating. David Posted by: Deleted user 974 Sunday 31 May 2009 - 02:37am If people 'struggling with same sex attraction' (whatever that means) and 'ex-gays' * have been unsupported by theologians and other beleivers, it has nothing to do with Open Evangelical or liberal attitudes to gays. It has everything to do with prejudice against them. And this , believe me, the same prejudice as towards any other kind of gay, lesbian or confused person or questionner. The prejudice reveals itself in unkind words or actions. And boy is that an understatment. So don't blame 'revisionism' for the shameful neglect of 'struggling traditonalist homosexual believers.' I know I've been there. You only started offering or even conteplating offering support AFTER others of a more liberal dspostion started to offerit, started to speak up and speak out. I think you will find Civil Partnerships are already making quite a difference. (*again people can call themselves wahtever they wish, but I have no idea what it really means--and if truly 'Ex-' whence the struggle ?) Posted by: Deleted user 1222 Sunday 31 May 2009 - 02:21am "Two generations have now gone by with almost no support from academically-trained theologians for the ex-gay movement" says 1066 Now I wonder why that might be? Might it be because this whole 'ex-gay' claim, and people forcing themselves down roads that they would not otherwise go, other than for the hold of religious dogmas, lacks any intellectual credibility? Posted by: Mark Bennet Saturday 30 May 2009 - 09:08pm User 1066 Are you really suggesting that the Church should not accept the children of LGBT couples/families, or have I grossly misread an ambiguous sentence - I don't recall Jesus sending the children away ... Or are you suggesting that LGBT couples should not have the care of children in any circumstances, and if so on what grounds (should their own natural children be taken away from them - on what grounds) ... (compared eg with married heterosexual couples who lie, argue, covet ...) - ie the grounds have to distinguish not between an LGBT couple and a hypothetical 'perfect' couple; but between one couple and another in circumstances in which we affirm that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and in which our greatest sins may not be the most obvious ones. Posted by: User 1066 Saturday 30 May 2009 - 02:48pm Interesting article for me as a theologian. It may be crafted to allow Christians who do not want to act on their homosexual attractions, and/or who consider themselves 'ex-gays', to discuss how they see themselves theologically. 'Open' evangelicals should really be far more supportive of the ex-gay movement than most currently are. I stand open to correction, but from memory, didn't Martin Hallett once say that possibly as many as half of all Christians who are homosexually-attracted are traditionalists, and that this is a neglected dimension of the division in the protestant churches over homosexuality ? Roger Hurding quotes O'Donovan's hope that if Christians reason long enough, we may come to an agreement. This is extremey optimistic, whichever view - traditionalist or revisionist - O'Donovan is hoping for. It is also theologically a bit odd: most of the major theologians of the church from the Church Fathers onwards have not seen reasoning alone as the way to conduct sexual ethics. They placed an emphasis on spiritual disciplines (Athanasius' 'Life of Saint Antony of Egypt', for example, says that the Devil tempted Saint Antony in appearing to him in the form of a boy). Hoping that we can 'agree to differ' is a problem for the teaching of Christian Ethics in our theological departments in this country, because logically it makes it very difficult then to teach the ethics of marriage and family life. Agreeing to differ has been going on for a long time in theology departments and the mainline churches; effectively this climate has been the means by which ex-gays, and indeed all Christians who are unhappy with their own same-sex attraction, have had to keep silent and keep their/our problems secret. This has been a completely unacceptable state of affairs. Finally, 'agreeing to differ' is just not good enough because it leaves the door open for church acceptance of children being brought up by parents who are leading LGBT lifestyles. As someone who comes from a family where these problems exist, and being in contact with many others who have faced the same problems, I find this totally unacceptable. As a theologian, I shall do absolutely everything in my power to change and rectify this situation. Two generations have now gone by with almost no support from academically-trained theologians for the ex-gay movement and relatives traumatised by all these issues. 'Open' evangelicals, and I count myself as one, have to start getting a good deal more to grips with the welfare of children and of future generations damaged by sexual revisionism. Posted by: Dave Saturday 2 May 2009 - 09:23am "Fifty years ago Stephen Neill, in identifying the elements that characterised Anglican Christianity, named as the first of these the biblical quality by which the whole warp and woof of Anglican life is held together...The Anglican Churches read more of the Bible to the faithful than any other group of Churches. The Bible is put into the hands of the layman; he is encouraged to read it, to ponder it, to fashion his life according to it. [6] That these words would be wholly impossible to write today ought to sober us." This criticism is as harsh as the comments this week by two former Home Secretaries. David Posted by: Deleted user 1222 Friday 1 May 2009 - 02:36am I regard the article as an artifice. He makes reference to postliberalism, a conservative form of postmodernism (and there is a Yale School) and so I think his article needs such deconstructive treatment by a list of its key phrases: http://pluralistspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/05/postmodern-authoritarianism.html We have just published on Fulcrum the text of Oliver O'Donovan's Fulcrum Lecture, 'The Reading Church: Scriptural Authority in Practice', which was given last Monday 27 April 2009 at St Mary Islington. An extract from the lecture is copublished in the Church Times, 1 May 2009, with the title, 'How can people obey the Scriptures?'. This is available online to subscribers only this week and will be available to all next Friday, 8 May. It was part of the launch of his new book, 'A Conversation Waiting to Begin: The Churches and the Gay Controversy', (SCM Press, 2009). The chapters in the book were first published online on Fulcrum in our series 'Sermons on the Subjects of the Day' (July 2006- January 2007). The Revd Professor Oliver O'Donovan FBA is Professor of Christian Ethics and Practical Theology in the University of Edinburgh. Posted by: Deleted user 974 Saturday 25 April 2009 - 04:54pm 'have just read Oliver O’Donovan’s excellent chapter on Good News for Gay Christians and am most impressed with his realism, compassion and desire to hear the gay voice.' what's this 'compassion' stuff about ? We don't have leprosy you know. And in fact, even those with disabilities or life threatening illness can smell condescension a mile off. Posted by: Deleted user 974 Saturday 25 April 2009 - 04:46pm 'In tones of characteristically elusive profundity, Oliver O’Donovan forces the reader of his new book to realize that contemporary ‘gayness’ represents an enigma which demands a long period of sustained cultural, ethical and theological reflection before the Church can hope to reach any well-grounded consensus on this issue' Oh I can't wait for this --and in fact, I'll be dead by the time all this sustained reflection has completed. I didnt have that luxury - I've had to get on with my own sustained reflection AND sustained living of my life, starting back in the olde penal days. Some churchmen are just amazing ! Motto - Festina lente - I assume ....... Quotations at the back of Oliver O’Donovan’s book, A Conversation Waiting to Begin: The Churches and the Gay Controversy (London: SCM Press, 2009), which he is launching on Monday 27 April 2009, 6.00pm at St Mary Islington. 1. Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury Oliver O’Donovan’s reflections on the current troubles of the Anglican Church are quite simply of unique significance. He consistently takes us to the questions others are not asking and refuses the ready-made questions and answers that paralyse our thinking about sexuality debates. Anyone wanting to understand what is most deeply at stake theologically ought to read and meditate on this invaluable book. 2. John Milbank, University of Nottingham In tones of characteristically elusive profundity, Oliver O’Donovan forces the reader of his new book to realize that contemporary ‘gayness’ represents an enigma which demands a long period of sustained cultural, ethical and theological reflection before the Church can hope to reach any well-grounded consensus on this issue. He hints that the latter might well be at once more conservative and yet more radical than the political moralizing and prudishness of theological liberals might desire. Yet if campaigning for ‘gay rights’ is dismissed as both inappropriate and premature, the schismatic reaction of certain evangelicals is roundly condemned. Indeed, O’Donovan has here achieved nothing less than an indication of just how Anglicanism can in the future reconstruct itself through a recovery of a Hooker-like sense of Episcopalian catholicity, and the Patristic integration of Platonic wisdom with biblical revelation, on the part of more discerning evangelicals like himself. 3. Ephraim Radner, Wycliffe College, Toronto O’Donovan is one of the pre-eminent Christian theologians of our time. Here he brings to bear his acute mind, deep faith, and broad pastoral sensitivities on one of the most pressing challenges facing our churches today. 4. Sam Wells, Duke University, Durham, NC Oliver O’Donovan sees the current crisis in the Anglican Communion for precisely what it is – an invitation into the heart of God. Anyone who wearily feels they have heard it all on these issues will come away from this book challenged, deepened and refreshed. Oliver Donovan's Fulcrum lecture, which he will give at the book launch on Monday 27 April at 6.00pm, is entitled: 'The Reading Church: Scriptural Authority in Practice'. It is open to all and admission is free. Posted by: Roger Hurding Wednesday 25 March 2009 - 02:42pm I have just read Oliver O’Donovan’s excellent chapter on Good News for Gay Christians and am most impressed with his realism, compassion and desire to hear the gay voice. He faces head-on the differences of opinion in this area amongst Christians and is wise enough to acknowledge that a ‘revisionist’ view may yet win the day when he writes: ‘Discernment is not acquired in a vacuum; it is learned by listening to the tradition of the Christian community reflecting upon Scripture. In this exercise, of course, we cannot rule out the possibility that we may reach a "revisionist" conclusion. No element formed by tradition can claim absolute allegiance. But the right to revise traditions is not everybody's right; it has to be won by learning their moral truths as deeply as they can be learned’ I very much appreciate his caveat to any ‘new’ way of seeing the sexual sensibilities of gay relationships in the wise, reflective attention paid to Christian tradition. His double good news for the gay Christian lies, as for us all, ‘in the light of the righteousness of Jesus Christ’ and, secondly, in the ‘open and candid neighbourly relation’ of ‘friendship’. I value this constructive approach – attendance to tradition, an openness to the possibility of ‘revision’, an emphasis on Christ’s redemptive work and the centrality of the neglected relational value of friendship – as an invaluable way forward. His words in the final paragraph are brimful of realism and hope: ‘Can we promise ourselves, then, that if the churches would only discuss homosexuality long and fully and widely enough, they would end up agreeing? Well, we are not entitled to rule out that possibility. But suppose it were not true; suppose that after careful exploration and a search for common ground, there was an agreement-resistant core at the centre of the issue - a problem about how modernity is viewed, for example, or about the ontological status of self-consciousness - it might still be possible to set the residual disagreement in what the ecumenists like to call "a new context", and (who knows?) learn how to live with it.’ Posted by: nersenpaul Wednesday 25 March 2009 - 07:23am Laurence - I would say the failure to be intellectually consistent eg scripture being treated as authoritative when it talks of helping the poor but not on certain other issues (one could say this was a failure to be faithful to scripture)......and, of course, the tragic failure of "liberals" to attract people in the modern world...even in Church of England today - but I think the professor was making more subtle points. Posted by: Deleted user 974 Tuesday 24 March 2009 - 09:26pm What failure ? I am shocked at the lack of support for religious freedom here. Tread carefully. Very carefully indeed. Also we hear little here about the practice of personal religion. Posted by: Deleted user 1222 Tuesday 24 March 2009 - 06:22pm Regarding the 'Failure of the Liberal Paradigm' in your review, events are not over yet. I think you'll find that there is an impasse now that needs to be broken, and will be, and from it could well come the continuing success of the liberal paradigm in terms of a Communion that is dispersed and autonomous. Thanks, Hugh. Concerning a summary and commentary on Oliver O'Donovan's series of Fulcrum sermons, we published in February 2007 Douglas Knight's article 'No Lack of Love: The Fulcrum Sermons of Oliver O'Dovovan'. This is well worth reading. Dr Douglas Knight edits 'Resources for Christian Theology' web site and is the author of The Eschatological Economy: Time and the Hospitality of God' (Eerdmans, 2005). Posted by: Dave Monday 23 March 2009 - 09:56pm Ekklesia have and interesting selection including the US edition http://books.ekklesia.co.uk/index.php David Posted by: Hugh Monday 23 March 2009 - 05:35pm Great to hear that they are at last being published in a form that will be easily obtainable in this country (It seems quite hard to get Wipf and Stock titles here). How does this book correspond to the book they published - "Church in Crisis"? I note that it is significantly longer at 144 pages rather than 123. Will there be new material in it? Is there any thought being given to some way of enabling more people to engage with it easily. The sermons seem to me to be hugely significant (and the comments by Archbishop Rowan - "quite simply of unique significance" - suggest that he thinks so too), but the relative lack of comment on this forum, and other comments I have heard suggest that many find it just too impenetrable to engage with. Has anyone thought of some kind of study guide? We have just published details of Oliver O'Donovan's Fulcrum Lecture, 'The Reading Church: Scriptural Authority in Practice', which will be given on Monday 27 April 2009, 6.00pm at St Mary Islington, Upper Street, London N1 2TX. The lecture will be published on Fulcrum. It will be part of the launch of his new book, 'A Conversation Waiting to Begin: The Churches and the Gay Controversy', (SCM Press, 2009). The chapters in the book were first published online on Fulcrum in our series 'Sermons on the Subjects of the Day' (July 2006- January 2007). The Revd Professor Oliver O'Donovan FBA is Professor of Christian Ethics and Practical Theology in the University of Edinburgh. The lecture is open to all and admission is free. Looking forward to seeing people there. |
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